In alt.english.usage on Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:18:35 GMT Harvey Van
Post by Harvey Van SicklePost by Peter DuncansonOn Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:03:18 GMT, Harvey Van Sickle
Post by Harvey Van SickleWas "trolley" generally used in England as a short form for
"trolley bus"? (I don't think I've ever come across it -- at
least in southern England -- since I moved here in the early
1980s, but both trolley buses and trams had long been phased out
by then.)
In my experience in Manchester in 1959 - 1960s the vehicle was
always a "trolley bus".
For clarification: a trolley bus was a bus with an electric motor
that collected power from overhead wires. It had wheels and
steering like any other bus. It did not run on a track.
Yes, that's what I'm thinking of: if it ran on tracks, it was a tram.
(The careful addition of "bus" to "trolley" was a pondial difference
which I noted when I moved here. Where I grew up -- Ottawa -- I think
we called our trolley buses "trolleys". Trams had disappeared by the
time I became of aware of such things, but of course if they *had*
existed, I'd have called them "street cars".)
Well, I think in the US there were both trollies on tracks and on
rubber tires. But because of the song, trolley is most associated
with tracks. "Clang, clang, clang went the trolley..." Doesn't the
clang refer to some noise of the wheels against the tracks?
FTR, I think the trolley is primarily the wheel at the top that rides
under the wire, and later the word began to mean the whole vehicle.
It wouldn't be necessary to say trolley bus unless there was an
alternative to the bus.
And of course there is also the dog trolley, a device the runs on a
wire usually erected in the back yard, connected by a leash to the
dog. It enables him to run around most of the yard while still on a
leash. I guess it has the advantage that the leash is short enough
that he can't tie it in circles or knots around a tree????
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