adhesiveness vs. adhesivity

[m]

my first guess was adhesivibility but the i googled it and the ONLY site
that came up was this http://www.repasfalt.com/reparadoresuk.html

i've checked many dictionaries and the consensus there seems to be
adhesiveness but when googling adhesivity tons of medical articles and such
come up using it!

your thoughts?

[Servo]

Post by m
my first guess was adhesivibility but the i googled it and

the ONLY site

Post by m
that came up was this

http://www.repasfalt.com/reparadoresuk.html

Post by m
i've checked many dictionaries and the consensus there

seems to be

Post by m
adhesiveness but when googling adhesivity tons of medical

articles and such

Post by m
come up using it!
your thoughts?

My best unresearched guess is that 'adhesiveness' is
the common use and 'adhesivity' would be used more in
technical contexts.

Servo

[Lanarcam]

Post by m

Post by m
my first guess was adhesivibility but the i googled it and

the ONLY site

Post by m
that came up was this

http://www.repasfalt.com/reparadoresuk.html

Post by m
i've checked many dictionaries and the consensus there

seems to be

Post by m
adhesiveness but when googling adhesivity tons of medical

articles and such

Post by m
come up using it!
your thoughts?

My best unresearched guess is that 'adhesiveness' is
the common use and 'adhesivity' would be used more in
technical contexts.

You have the same difference between conductivness and conductivity

I would say that the first describes a quality while the second
is a measurement of a quantity.

The conductivity would be the measurement of the conductivness.

[Servo]

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Post by Lanarcam

Post by m

Post by m
my first guess was adhesivibility but the i googled it

and

Post by Lanarcam

Post by m
the ONLY site

Post by m
that came up was this

http://www.repasfalt.com/reparadoresuk.html

Post by m
i've checked many dictionaries and the consensus there

seems to be

Post by m
adhesiveness but when googling adhesivity tons of

medical

Post by Lanarcam

Post by m
articles and such

Post by m
come up using it!
your thoughts?

My best unresearched guess is that 'adhesiveness' is
the common use and 'adhesivity' would be used more in
technical contexts.

You have the same difference between conductivness and

conductivity

Post by Lanarcam
I would say that the first describes a quality while the

second

Post by Lanarcam
is a measurement of a quantity.
The conductivity would be the measurement of the

conductivness.

To my knowledge, "conductiveness" is rarely if ever
used in the US. We use "conductivity" for both the
quality and the measurement. May be otherwise in
Europe.

What you are saying would be true in the US for
resistance and resistivity, which is the reciprocal
of conductivity.

Servo

[Servo]

Post by Servo
To my knowledge, "conductiveness" is rarely if ever
used in the US. We use "conductivity" for both the
quality and the measurement. May be otherwise in
Europe.
What you are saying would be true in the US for
resistance and resistivity, which is the reciprocal
of conductivity.

Actually, I misspoke. "Resistance" can refer both
to a measurement and a quality in the US, while
"resistivity" would generally refer only to the
measurement.

Servo

[meirman]

In alt.english.usage on Wed, 18 May 2005 01:47:16 -0700 "Servo"

Post by Servo

Post by Servo
To my knowledge, "conductiveness" is rarely if ever
used in the US. We use "conductivity" for both the
quality and the measurement. May be otherwise in
Europe.
What you are saying would be true in the US for
resistance and resistivity, which is the reciprocal
of conductivity.

Actually, I misspoke. "Resistance" can refer both
to a measurement and a quality in the US, while
"resistivity" would generally refer only to the
measurement.

I don't think we use resistivity in the US either, fwiw.

Impedance is a general technical term that includes resistive,
inductive, and capacitive circuits, or any combination of them.

Post by Servo
Servo

I agree pretty much with prior posters about adhesivity. It follows
in the path of ductility, malleability, motility, fluidity, viscosity,
etc. (I don't know if there are units of motility or not, or levels,
other than low, medium, high, very low, very high, etc.)

Adhesiveness is the quality of being adhesive. Something could have
very little adhesiveness or a lot.

Please don't forget adhesivibilitaceousness and
adhesivibilitaceousnessity.



s/ meirman
Posting from alt.english.usage

[Servo]

Post by meirman
In alt.english.usage on Wed, 18 May 2005 01:47:16 -0700

"Servo"

Post by meirman

Post by Servo

Post by Servo
To my knowledge, "conductiveness" is rarely if ever
used in the US. We use "conductivity" for both the
quality and the measurement. May be otherwise in
Europe.
What you are saying would be true in the US for
resistance and resistivity, which is the reciprocal
of conductivity.

Actually, I misspoke. "Resistance" can refer both
to a measurement and a quality in the US, while
"resistivity" would generally refer only to the
measurement.

I don't think we use resistivity in the US either, fwiw.
Impedance is a general technical term that includes

resistive,

Post by meirman
inductive, and capacitive circuits, or any combination of

them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_resistivity

Servo

[Odysseus]

Post by meirman
In alt.english.usage on Wed, 18 May 2005 01:47:16 -0700 "Servo"

Post by Servo

Post by Servo
To my knowledge, "conductiveness" is rarely if ever
used in the US. We use "conductivity" for both the
quality and the measurement. May be otherwise in
Europe.
What you are saying would be true in the US for
resistance and resistivity, which is the reciprocal
of conductivity.

Actually, I misspoke. "Resistance" can refer both
to a measurement and a quality in the US, while
"resistivity" would generally refer only to the
measurement.

I don't think we use resistivity in the US either, fwiw.

I believe "resisitivity" is used for resistance per unit length,
perhaps of a certain gauge of wire, so would have units of e.g.
ohm/ft. It's a fairly obscure measure, but doubtless useful in
electrical engineering and the like.

[meirman]

In alt.english.usage on Thu, 19 May 2005 01:42:27 GMT Odysseus

Post by Odysseus

Post by meirman
In alt.english.usage on Wed, 18 May 2005 01:47:16 -0700 "Servo"

Post by Servo

Post by Servo
To my knowledge, "conductiveness" is rarely if ever
used in the US. We use "conductivity" for both the
quality and the measurement. May be otherwise in
Europe.
What you are saying would be true in the US for
resistance and resistivity, which is the reciprocal
of conductivity.

Actually, I misspoke. "Resistance" can refer both
to a measurement and a quality in the US, while
"resistivity" would generally refer only to the
measurement.

I don't think we use resistivity in the US either, fwiw.

I believe "resisitivity" is used for resistance per unit length,
perhaps of a certain gauge of wire, so would have units of e.g.
ohm/ft. It's a fairly obscure measure, but doubtless useful in
electrical engineering and the like.

OK, if you say so. Too many people measuring too many things, that's
what I always say.

s/ meirman
Posting from alt.english.usage

[Don Phillipson]

Post by Servo
My best unresearched guess is that 'adhesiveness' is
the common use and 'adhesivity' would be used more in
technical contexts.

Guesswork is not always the best method.
The commonest word is adhesion, so I do not
see why we here consider two less common
words and omit the principal one.

[meirman]

In alt.english.usage on Wed, 18 May 2005 07:04:22 -0400 "Don

Post by Don Phillipson

Post by Servo
My best unresearched guess is that 'adhesiveness' is
the common use and 'adhesivity' would be used more in
technical contexts.

Guesswork is not always the best method.
The commonest word is adhesion, so I do not

Seems to me that adhesion is something it has only when it is stuck to
something, but the other two exist even when it isn't.

I'm not surprised that adhesivity isn't in the dictionary. It sounds
like a term created by industry, not in a science lab necssarily, but
by those who make adhesive products and want to rate their products
using a term that sounds technical, probably because they have an
actual method for measuring it, and probably because they have created
units of measure.

I'm sure there are commonplace uses, but how well tiles will stick to
the space shuttle is not commonplace and has become a matter of life
and death. If there was no unit of measurement before, they probably
created one.

Post by Don Phillipson
see why we here consider two less common
words and omit the principal one.

s/ meirman
Posting from alt.english.usage

[Servo]

Post by Don Phillipson

Post by Servo
My best unresearched guess is that 'adhesiveness' is
the common use and 'adhesivity' would be used more in
technical contexts.

Guesswork is not always the best method.
The commonest word is adhesion, so I do not
see why we here consider two less common
words and omit the principal one.

Because the original poster asked specifically about
adhesivity and correcly noted that it is used extensively
in some contexts: Web-Googling gives over 10,000 hits
in medical, chemical and industrial use.

But 'adhesion' is a very nice word as well, and often
used, as you note.

Servo

[Mike Lyle]

Post by Servo

Post by Don Phillipson

Post by Servo
My best unresearched guess is that 'adhesiveness' is
the common use and 'adhesivity' would be used more in
technical contexts.

Guesswork is not always the best method.
The commonest word is adhesion, so I do not
see why we here consider two less common
words and omit the principal one.

Because the original poster asked specifically about
adhesivity and correcly noted that it is used extensively
in some contexts: Web-Googling gives over 10,000 hits
in medical, chemical and industrial use.
But 'adhesion' is a very nice word as well, and often
used, as you note.

But "adhesion" isn't the same as "adhesiveness", as think has
already been pointed out. I'd need more, and more specific, evidence
before agreeing that "adhesivity" isn't just a bullshitter's way of
saying "adhesiveness". If it's just the same, but has escaped and
become feral, we can still deride if we feel like it; though I could
argue that "-ivity" is a "better" formation.

[Servo]

Post by Mike Lyle

Post by Servo

Post by Don Phillipson

Post by Servo
My best unresearched guess is that 'adhesiveness' is
the common use and 'adhesivity' would be used more in
technical contexts.

Guesswork is not always the best method.
The commonest word is adhesion, so I do not
see why we here consider two less common
words and omit the principal one.

Because the original poster asked specifically about
adhesivity and correcly noted that it is used

extensively

Post by Mike Lyle

Post by Servo
in some contexts: Web-Googling gives over 10,000 hits
in medical, chemical and industrial use.
But 'adhesion' is a very nice word as well, and often
used, as you note.

But "adhesion" isn't the same as "adhesiveness", as think

has

Post by Mike Lyle
already been pointed out. I'd need more, and more

specific, evidence

Post by Mike Lyle
before agreeing that "adhesivity" isn't just a

bullshitter's way of

Post by Mike Lyle
saying "adhesiveness". If it's just the same, but has

escaped and

Post by Mike Lyle
become feral, we can still deride if we feel like it;

though I could

Post by Mike Lyle
argue that "-ivity" is a "better" formation.

Better-schmetter, Mike. Language is principally formed
by prevalence of use. I may not like "fantastical" or
"tuna fish," but for better or worse they are both part
of the language.

If you wish to know how people are actually using the
words, who and where, that information is easy enough
to gather. Google is our friend.

Servo

[Mike Lyle]

Post by Servo

Post by Mike Lyle

Post by Servo

Post by Don Phillipson

Post by Servo
My best unresearched guess is that 'adhesiveness' is
the common use and 'adhesivity' would be used more in
technical contexts.

Guesswork is not always the best method.
The commonest word is adhesion, so I do not
see why we here consider two less common
words and omit the principal one.

Because the original poster asked specifically about
adhesivity and correcly noted that it is used extensively
in some contexts: Web-Googling gives over 10,000 hits
in medical, chemical and industrial use.
But 'adhesion' is a very nice word as well, and often
used, as you note.

But "adhesion" isn't the same as "adhesiveness", as think has
already been pointed out. I'd need more, and more specific,

evidence

Post by Servo

Post by Mike Lyle
before agreeing that "adhesivity" isn't just a bullshitter's way of
saying "adhesiveness". If it's just the same, but has escaped and
become feral, we can still deride if we feel like it; though I could
argue that "-ivity" is a "better" formation.

Better-schmetter, Mike. Language is principally formed
by prevalence of use.

And your evidence that I didn't know is..?

Post by Servo
I may not like "fantastical" or
"tuna fish," but for better or worse they are both part
of the language.
If you wish to know how people are actually using the
words, who and where, that information is easy enough
to gather. Google is our friend.

Always happy to be patronised: feel free, kid.

[John Dean]

Post by m
my first guess was adhesivibility but the i googled it and the ONLY
site that came up was this http://www.repasfalt.com/reparadoresuk.html
i've checked many dictionaries and the consensus there seems to be
adhesiveness but when googling adhesivity tons of medical articles
and such come up using it!
your thoughts?

Stick with it, you're bound to get an answer.
FWIW OED has adhesiveness and adhesion but not adhesivity.