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SMASHING - ETYMOLOGY
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s***@spaldingray.com
2007-01-23 09:51:18 UTC
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smashing - excellent or fine

it is possible the word derives from the Scottish Gaelic 'is-math-sin'
which means good or fine and is pronounced sma-shin,
m***@gmail.com
2007-01-23 12:06:58 UTC
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Post by s***@spaldingray.com
smashing - excellent or fine
it is possible the word derives from the Scottish Gaelic 'is-math-sin'
which means good or fine and is pronounced sma-shin,
Are you asking us or telling us? If you're asking us, the answer is
"Yes, the expression "smashing!" as an exclamation of approval is
almost certainly a malapropism for the Gaelic expression "Is math sin!"
meaning "it's good!" "

If you're telling us, why?
Flying Tortoise
2007-01-23 12:49:35 UTC
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Post by s***@spaldingray.com
smashing - excellent or fine
it is possible the word derives from the Scottish Gaelic 'is-math-sin'
which means good or fine and is pronounced sma-shin,
Are you asking us or telling us? If you're asking us, the answer is
"Yes, the expression "smashing!" as an exclamation of approval is
almost certainly a malapropism for the Gaelic expression "Is math sin!"
meaning "it's good!" "
If you're telling us, why?
Almost certainly? A less convincing etymology one cannot imagine,
especially as the use dates from early 20th Century USA, coming to
England not via her Northern sister but as part of the increasing
transatlantic traffic of the time.
m***@gmail.com
2007-01-23 13:46:10 UTC
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Post by Flying Tortoise
Post by m***@gmail.com
Are you asking us or telling us? If you're asking us, the answer is
"Yes, the expression "smashing!" as an exclamation of approval is
almost certainly a malapropism for the Gaelic expression "Is math sin!"
meaning "it's good!" "
Almost certainly? A less convincing etymology one cannot imagine,
especially as the use dates from early 20th Century USA, coming to
England not via her Northern sister but as part of the increasing
transatlantic traffic of the time.
Nonsense. Show some references, or be considered a troll. Many many
sources give "smashing" as Irish in origin. BBC Northern Ireland gives
"smashing" as a word descended from gaelic, along with "hooligan".
Flying Tortoise
2007-01-23 19:28:55 UTC
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Are you asking us or telling us? If you're asking us, the answer is
"Yes, the expression "smashing!" as an exclamation of approval is
almost certainly a malapropism for the Gaelic expression "Is math sin!"
meaning "it's good!" "
Almost certainly? A less convincing etymology one cannot imagine,
especially as the use dates from early 20th Century USA, coming to
England not via her Northern sister but as part of the increasing
transatlantic traffic of the time.
Nonsense. Show some references, or be considered a troll. Many many
sources give "smashing" as Irish in origin. BBC Northern Ireland gives
"smashing" as a word descended from gaelic, along with "hooligan".
I am unable to find a single scholarly source to agree with this. Your
'many, many' sources, at least as far as the Internet is concerned,
consist of Wikipedia and a number of sites promoting Gaelic. None of
these is peer reviewed and most have good reason to want people to
believe that Gaelic has significantly influenced the English language,
a belief which, sadly, is unsupportable.

The Oxford English Dictionary has no etymological explanation for this
use, nor does it need it, as it is a very obvious extension of the
original meaning and comparable with the use in England of 'cracking'
and a number of other 'violent' words as an adjective for something
with an unusually great positive impact, (is a hit, goes down a smash
etc.) It dates its earliest use to the 2nd decade of the 20th Century.

This kind of (at first sight) plausible but entirely false folk
etymology is extremely common, so much so that many a tome has been
written on the subject (search folk etymology at Amazon); proof, if
proof were needed, that it is not wise to believe everything you read,
even if its repeated a thousand times, especially on the Internet!
Peter Duncanson
2007-01-23 14:12:39 UTC
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Post by s***@spaldingray.com
smashing - excellent or fine
it is possible the word derives from the Scottish Gaelic 'is-math-sin'
which means good or fine and is pronounced sma-shin,
Many things are possible, but this is a very unlikely derivation for
"smashing".

Another poster has pointed out that the word is of American origin.

However, ignoring that for a moment, a Scots Gaelic word would
firstly need to be borrowed into the English spoken by Gaelic
speakers. It would then need to escape from the limited confines of
bilingual Scots Gaelic/English speakers. It might still have limited
currency unless it appeals to and is taken up more widely by other
English speakers.
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.english.usage)
s***@spaldingray.com
2007-01-25 09:31:41 UTC
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On Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:12:39 +0000, Peter Duncanson
Post by Peter Duncanson
Post by s***@spaldingray.com
smashing - excellent or fine
it is possible the word derives from the Scottish Gaelic 'is-math-sin'
which means good or fine and is pronounced sma-shin,
Many things are possible, but this is a very unlikely derivation for
"smashing".
Another poster has pointed out that the word is of American origin.
amd where do americans come from ?

many millions came from scotland and ireland,

is it not possible that they used the gaelic sma-shin while in america
?
s***@spaldingray.com
2007-01-25 09:32:50 UTC
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Post by Peter Duncanson
However, ignoring that for a moment, a Scots Gaelic word would
firstly need to be borrowed into the English spoken by Gaelic
speakers. It would then need to escape from the limited confines of
bilingual Scots Gaelic/English speakers. It might still have limited
currency unless it appeals to and is taken up more widely by other
English speakers.
thats probably exactly what happened.
Peter Duncanson
2007-01-27 11:12:20 UTC
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Post by s***@spaldingray.com
Post by Peter Duncanson
However, ignoring that for a moment, a Scots Gaelic word would
firstly need to be borrowed into the English spoken by Gaelic
speakers. It would then need to escape from the limited confines of
bilingual Scots Gaelic/English speakers. It might still have limited
currency unless it appeals to and is taken up more widely by other
English speakers.
thats probably exactly what happened.
I would say "possibly".

Insufficient evidence has been presented here to allow us to judge
with certainty one way or another.
--
Peter Duncanson, UK
(in alt.english.usage)
Martin Ambuhl
2007-01-25 15:58:59 UTC
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Post by s***@spaldingray.com
smashing - excellent or fine
it is possible the word derives from the Scottish Gaelic 'is-math-sin'
which means good or fine and is pronounced sma-shin,
This is an example of a phenomenon that J. R. R. Tolkien attacked in his
O'Donnell lecture of 1963, "On English and Welsh": bullshit fantasy
entomologies. Among other observations he wrote that "anything is
possible in the fabulous Celtic twilight, which is not so much a
twilight of the gods as of reason."
s***@spaldingray.com
2007-01-25 21:33:19 UTC
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On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 10:58:59 -0500, Martin Ambuhl
Post by Martin Ambuhl
Post by s***@spaldingray.com
smashing - excellent or fine
it is possible the word derives from the Scottish Gaelic 'is-math-sin'
which means good or fine and is pronounced sma-shin,
This is an example of a phenomenon that J. R. R. Tolkien attacked in his
O'Donnell lecture of 1963, "On English and Welsh": bullshit fantasy
entomologies. Among other observations he wrote that "anything is
possible in the fabulous Celtic twilight, which is not so much a
twilight of the gods as of reason."
well being a crypto-fascist he would.

anyways do you have a better etymology ?
ChrisR
2007-01-25 23:57:11 UTC
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Post by Martin Ambuhl
This is an example of a phenomenon that J. R. R. Tolkien attacked in his
O'Donnell lecture of 1963, "On English and Welsh": bullshit fantasy
entomologies.
Isn't Shelob fantasy entomology?

Chris R
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